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ccmcacollister 36 ( +1 | -1 )
Greatest Chessplayer Ever ?! What happened to Janpot, thought he was going to ask this. Since I have to; it gets modified. Wondering who YOUR TOP 10 would be. Haven't decided mine for sure yet. I might be more interested in 10 Greatest Attackers or something. Anything on such lines; any opinions out there? If so, please help our new, more boring Forums to survive, and say so!~ Thanks Much, You Bet !
tyekanyk 21 ( +1 | -1 )
I was thinking of something simillar O.K. here goes:
1. Garry Kasparov
2. Robert James Fischer
3. J.R. Capablanca
4. A. Alekhine
5. A. Karpov
6. Akiba Rubinstein
7. B. Spasski
8. M. Botvinnik
9. M. Tal
10. V. Kramnik

This is purely subjective so feel free to disagree.
coyotefan 30 ( +1 | -1 )
You missed a biggie Victor Korchnoi. Lost the best years to the Iron Curtain.

1.Fischer
2.Korchnoi
3.Capablanca
4.Kasparov
5.Spassky
6.Botvinnik
7.Alekhine
8.Annad
9.Karpov
10.Tal

It is tough to rank the Iron Curtain champs, as there was so much cheating that it is hard to know what was legit, and what was not.
ccmcacollister 42 ( +1 | -1 )
My 13 Favorite GM's or equivalent I went with Favorites, not necessarily strongest...
1. H.N.Pillsbury
2. RJF
3. Tal
4. Spassky
5. Vehlimirovic
6. Bronstein
7. Kasparov
8. Evans
9. Fedorowicz
10. Browne
11. Benko
12 Marjanovic
And of course The Ever-Handsome 13. Van der Wiel (cuz he looks like me 8-)
I'm starting to like Lasker a lot these days too. There's just somethin about a grumpy-lookin Chessplayer with a stinky cigar. Brings back many fond, youthful memories.
commodore 15 ( +1 | -1 )
Favs in not particular order:


1. RJF

2. Tal

3. Bronstein

4. Pilsbury

5. Chigorin

6. Cambell

7. Kasparov

8. Alekhine

9. Estrin

10. Hamarat

11. Myself :-))

12. Free agent to be named later...
commodore 14 ( +1 | -1 )
OOp's forgot a rising genius among the chess scene that should be watched
Magnus Carlsen, age 13. Simply a marvelous player!
chessnovice 19 ( +1 | -1 )
... 1. Bobby Fischer
2. Jose Raul Capablanca
3. Mikhail Tal
4. Henry Pillsbury
5. Paul Morphy

Players 6-10, I would have to think about. I never counted chessplayers up to 10 before. :)
myway316 22 ( +1 | -1 )
This subject... ...can be debated 'til the cows come home. To me,there is only one man fit to wear the crown-Dr. Emmanuel Lasker,world champion 1894-1921. He was the first player to practice psychology on his opponents,and always won when it was all on the line.
anaxagoras 36 ( +1 | -1 )
Thank goodness someone finally said "Morphy." Steinitz and Nimzovitch deserve some representation here too.
The two most important criteria for such a list would be, I suggest: The accomplishments of world championship or indespensable contribution to theory.

And I still doubt I could make a fair list of only ten. How would you further narrow the field?
invincible1 34 ( +1 | -1 )
my list I know very little actrually when it comes to greats of all time. But I would very much want to learn more about all of them...

Still the names that come to my mind are Robert James Fischer (my favourite), Alekhine, Tal, Kasparov, Anand (I have to add this ;-) ).. and currently the greatest chess player is Me!!!
ccmcacollister 45 ( +1 | -1 )
Anax ....Oh how true... Morphy is another I'd like to have on my list. I used to be a big Morphy-head. Till deciding I had more trouble understanding Pillsbury's games.

I'd liketo get GM Mednis on my list somewhere too. He's played some pretty cool tactical stuff at times. And Anderssen. And Schlecter ... so underated after getting the "draw Master" reputation. Perhaps not quite brilliant enough to go nutsy, but did uphold the old Masters' traditions to die destitute & somewhat strangely.
fmgaijin 53 ( +1 | -1 )
Those Who Taught Me The players who taught me the most through their games and/or annotations:

1. Harry Nelson Pillsbury
2. Aron Nimzovitch
3. Alexander Alekhine
4. Robert J. Fischer
5. Paul Morphy
6. Mikhail Tal
7. Jose Capablanca
8. Akiba Rubinstein
9. Gary Kasparov
10. Lajos Portisch

NOTE: IMHO, Pillsbury, Rubinstein, and Keres were the strongest players who never got a shot at the WC.

Were I younger, no doubt more "current" players would be on my list, but I don't study enough these days to learn from the "young" masters.
anaxagoras 27 ( +1 | -1 )
Any historians of chess out there? Here's another good one: Siegbert Tarrasch. The lack of his name in any list here is evidence of myopia. Although he was not the most dynamic player, it was through his labor that ideas about chess gained the character of knowledge.
myway316 10 ( +1 | -1 )
And what about... ...Steinitz? If it hadn't been for him,chess.as we know,play,and understand it today,would not exist.
nivag18 20 ( +1 | -1 )
no such thing... I don't mean to be a spoilsport but I don't think there is such a thing as the greatest of anything of all time...All of these great players had their bad days and good. If you catch someone on a bad day he won't be as great as he usually is...

the way I see it anyway...
ccmcacollister 43 ( +1 | -1 )
nivag18 Hi Gavin, While that IS true. Some like Capablanca it seems, almost Never Had a "Bad Day"; with a 10 year stretch where he LOST only ONE GAME !
For him, a Bad-Day was getting a couple draws too many and winding up in 2nd Place. (Nothing like MY Bad-Day in Chess, I'll tell you ... once losing 86 Elo points in a single 2 day, 5-Round OTB event !!)

Wouldn't you too like to have a few of Capa's bad-days ?! I know that I would ...

[8-D ..... Regards, Craig A.C.
chessnovice 34 ( +1 | -1 )
... ccmcacollister
hit it right on the nose as to why I chose Capa. You have no choice but to respect a man who goes 10 years without losing a game. The only regret I have for my list is omitting Lasker, who lasted as champion much longer than anyone else could.
bluebabygirl 69 ( +1 | -1 )
Greatest??? As bad as I want to say the Super,fantastic ,incredible ,tremendous talent/genius Akiba Rubinstein ,greatest endgame player to ever take a breath not to mention destroying hundreds of Rooks !!! :I must say Robert James Fischer. That hurt!!!

1.Robert James Fischer
2. Akiba Rubinstein
3. Emanuel Lasker
4.CAPA
5. TAL
6.David Bronstein // genius and most creative ever!!
7.Paul Keres -Estonian - What a talent !!!!!!
KASP ,KARP, KAMSK,ANAND ,SHIROV
ok.ok. my first 3 are correct ,after that I went with favorites .
Morphy ,Pillsbury and Rudolph Charousek.
Hey couldn't keep sentiment out of it . A chess player without passion is a dead duck!!--BBG
macheide 14 ( +1 | -1 )
IMHO If it were possible to give them all, the same chances, trainers, study, theory,
etc.

JOSÉ RAÚL CAPABLANCA Y GRAUPERA

As I said: IMHO.

Thanks.
tyekanyk 55 ( +1 | -1 )
another name... That I forgot to mention and it sems that everyone else did as well, Vassily Smyslov (not sure about the spelling). He was also a very gifted Opera singer, not to mention that he played some beautiful chess throught his very long career, he died only a couple of years ago. Another name that also has gone unmentioned is Larsen, who by the way was also a violin player. He sure did make a name for himself back in the 80's, until he was crushed by Fischer in the Candidate's Match.

By the way commodore, who are Cambell and Hamarat?
atrifix 16 ( +1 | -1 )
IMHO 1. Fischer
2. Kasparov
3. Tal
4. Alekhine
5. Morphy
6. Botvinnik
7. Lasker
8. Smyslov
9. Capablanca
10. Philidor

Fittingly, the two that just missed my list:

11. Reshevsky
12. Keres
deuce 15 ( +1 | -1 )
hold up!!! .. the list should go like this:

1. Kasparov

2. Spassky

3. Capablanca

4. Fischer

5. Morphy

remember Kasparov's rating which NO ONE has ever achieved.
blindio 25 ( +1 | -1 )
tyekanyk If Smyslov is dead, then who is this?

www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1508

Oh, by the way, it was his 83rd birthday yesterday. Happy birthday Vasily Vasilievich!
bluebabygirl 31 ( +1 | -1 )
to-MY PREVIOUS LIST Amendment number 1. Slap me for forgetting Viktor L. Korchnoi
Amendment number 2. ha! Everybody forgot Tigran V. Petrosian ,of course not everybody would choose him but he does rank somewhere in top twenty. AND POSSIBLY MANY WOULD LOVE TO FORGET HIM!!
Amendment number 3. Reuben Fine , his play was o so fine.
--BBG
gibo 13 ( +1 | -1 )
best 10 of all time in my opinion

1.Fischer
2.Kasparov
3.Alekhine
4.Karpov
5.Anand
6.Botvink
7.Capablance
8.Kramnkik
9.Tal
10.Lasker
8.Lasker
iron_flower 9 ( +1 | -1 )
Max Euwe And where is Max Euwe, the only world champion the Netherlands ever had? I miss him at the top-10 lists....
slowdive 23 ( +1 | -1 )
my favorites My favorite chess player has always been Kramnik since I played him
on-line in 1996.

I'd guess that Kasparov is the greatest of all time, though.
Fischer, a close second. He could have been the best.

bluebabygirl 45 ( +1 | -1 )
slowdive I too agree that Kramnik is a superb player ,truly GREAT!
I totally disagree with your comment on Fischer. Could have been the best???
I say Fischer at his best could have played a simul against Kramnik ,KASP,Karp and Spassky. The result 1 draw against Kasp ,wins against the others.
Fischer in his prime at his best was a CHESSGOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As far as genius goes only Rubinstein and Capablanca approached him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peppe_l 18 ( +1 | -1 )
My list Kasparov, Karpov, Fischer, Botvinnik, Alekhine, Capablanca, Lasker, Steinitz, Morphy, Philidor

Of course, usually "10 greatest players" = "my 10 favourite players" :-)

But I TRIED to be objective :-)))
slowdive 26 ( +1 | -1 )
Fischer I only meant that Fischer could have accomplished much more than
Kasparov or anyone by staying in the game longer. He could
have dominated chess for a much longer time. I don't think he
ever reached his potential.
drunken_rabbit 31 ( +1 | -1 )
Fischer "He stood looking out of the window in the Loftleider Hotel...In a rather weak moment, when Fischer was looking out of the window and said...'The only thing I can do is to play chess'...and he seemed rather sad, but then there came a smile on his face, and he smiled and said 'But I do that rather well'

He is ( been ) the greatest!!
werwolf 9 ( +1 | -1 )
My top 10 1)Alekhine
2)Lasker
3)Kasparov
4)Botvinnik
5)Fischer
6)Petrosian
7)Tal
8)Korchnoi
9)Nimzovich
10)Rubinstein

bucklehead 208 ( +1 | -1 )
I can no longer restrain myself OK, good topic, good response from the community...but I'm just so tired of seeing the old "Fischer, Kasparov, Capablanca" stuff. I therefore offer my list in strict accordance with ccmcacollister's instructions: "YOUR TOP 10." So here goes (in no particular order):

a) Richard Reti: Incomparable theorist, strong player, and extremely absent-minded. He should be included in this list if only for his famous 1924 win vs Capablanca.
b) Gioachino Greco: Come on, give the man back his gambit. What were they thinking, renaming it to honor a loser like Nimzo? (PS: All hail Nimzo)
c) Alexander Dmitrievich Petrov: I'm tired of hearing all the slams against this guy's opening. Geez, all he did was rehabilitate a system that had been snickered at for three centuries and turn it into a grandmaster-level weapon. Heck, I did that just this morning with the Van't Kruijs.
d) Milan Vidmar: Because I can't get enough of this guy's name. Milan Vidmar, Milan Vidmar...
e) Bonus Socius: Author of a 13th century chess manuscript and an innovator in coordinate notation. And since in later life I have come to despise the descriptive notation I was once scared to give up, I say, Bonus!
f) Caliph Harun ar-Rashid: Come on, there's got to be at least *one* Arab on this list, and this guy is reported to have played a correspondence game against the Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus. I believe he was a fan of the "Pharaoh's Fortress" opening.
g) Ludek Pachman: Gotta love it when a long-time Soviet stooge manages to bust out from behind the Iron Curtain and start badmouthing the system. Plus, he managed to stay deluded almost until his death about the chessplaying ability of computers.
h) Whoever the guy was inside "The Turk."
i) John Miles Cochrane: Because I love the man's gambit, I really do.
j) Geza Maroczy: Binding Sicilian players since 1894, and that's no bad thing.

Meeeeeelaaaan Vidmaaaaar...roll it around in your mouth like a fine wine. You'll see.
chris21 5 ( +1 | -1 )
My favourites! 1. Kasparov

2. Judit Polgar

3. Fischer

4. Capablanca

5. Tal
fischessr 24 ( +1 | -1 )
My (personal) list 1. Bobby Fischer.
2. Peter Leko.
3. Garry Kasparov.
4. Bent Larsen.
5. Paul Morphy.
6. Richard Reti.
7. Alexander Alekhine.
8. Pal Benko.
9. Aron Nimzovitch.
10. Wilhelm Steinitz/ Mikhael Botvinnik (can't really decide there :P ).
macheide 31 ( +1 | -1 )
A little piece of trivia stuff... Who said once: "It is remarkable, you never seem to make a mistake"?

Answer: Emmanuel Lasker (World Champion for 27 years!), of Capablanca, after the latter beat him in a ten-game match at lightning chess.

Post scriptum: By the way, do you know that Capablanca was never checkmated?

Regards,

Andrés
macheide
ccmcacollister 39 ( +1 | -1 )
Macheide ....Interesting re: Capa. In follow-up I wonder if anyone ever got close enough to blurt out "Mate-in-six ! Or such, before Capa could resign ? I Kind of doubt it, with the so very small losses he had !

I Can't recall now who said it. Seems like it was from the 1900-1950 crowd of GM's.
And very well known, still I like the saying "I have never defeated a healthy opponent!". :)

bluebabygirl 12 ( +1 | -1 )
to ccmca As to who said that, I think it was Robert James Fischer. I can not remember exactly but I read it in a book about Fischer.-BBG
macheide 27 ( +1 | -1 )
ccmcaollister Dear friend,

bluebabygirl is right. It was Bobby Fischer. By the way, it's one of my favorite Fischer's anecdotes. I use to mention it in similar situations, because I never, ever give excuses when I lose, because I hate to hear them when I win.

Regards,

Andrés
macheide
sr_ajedrez 9 ( +1 | -1 )
I just love them all one have to be thank full for them all
coulndt make a pick if i wanted to

regards
estonian 8 ( +1 | -1 )
My top three favorite players are:

1. Paul Keres !
2. Bobby Fischer
3. Capablanca
perro_feo 14 ( +1 | -1 )
I went with Favorites Not necessarily strongest...
1.Bobby Fischer
2.Spassky
3.Bronstein
4.Capablanca
5.Karpov
6.Alekhine
7. Leonid Stein
8. Timman
9. Mecking
10. Najdorf

mrendgame 15 ( +1 | -1 )


My Favorite Player.......

1. Mikhail Tal
2. Harry Pillsbury
3. Spassky
4. Bobby Fischer
5. Karpov
6. Capablanca
7. Rudolph Spileman
8. Alekhine
9. Judit Polgar

baseline 10 ( +1 | -1 )
1. Capablanca
2. Kasparov
3. Fischer
4. Lasker
5. Botvinnik
6. Anand
7. Alekhine
8. Karpov
9. Kramnik
10. Steinitz
cairo 55 ( +1 | -1 )
Question Greatest Chessplayer Ever ?! by ccmcacollister is not likely to ever be answer 100%. However like everyone else, I have my personal favorites:

1/2. Fischer/Kasparov
3/4. Capablanca/Alekhine
5/6/7. Larsen/Karpov/Anand
8/9. Nimzowitsch/Botvinnik
10/11/12. Petrosian/Kramnik/Rubinstein
13/14/15. Tal/Zukertort/Morphy
16/17/18. Reti/Euwe/Stein
19/20/21. Spassky/Leko/Kortchnoi
22/23/24. Lasker/Keres/Topolov
25. Tarrasch

Best wishes
Cairo
pebbles 14 ( +1 | -1 )
Favorites Keres
Tartakower
Steinitz
Euwe
Aljechin
Capablanca
Korchnoi (most experienced player of all time)
Kasparov
Dworakowska
Radziewicz
ir0nh0rse 35 ( +1 | -1 )
Greatest? The greatest player of all time is Kasparov because he has had the chance to learn from all past players but he will be eclipsed by a better player.

The player that inovated the most for his/her time I would say was Morphy, not to mention he never studied and actively tried not to be a professional player. He also challenged the best in the world with pawn and move.
baseline 40 ( +1 | -1 )
ir0nh0rse As a lad, Morphy studied everything on chess he could get his hands on, and he was well versed on the opening theory of his time. From the Italian School Greco and assoc. we had learned the value of rapid development from La Bourdonnais to fight for control of the center and the amazing combinational art of Andersen. Morphy's talent was his ability to wed these idea's into a style of play that was greater than the sum of the parts.
ketchuplover 2 ( +1 | -1 )
My brain sucks :(
kangoldemancha 8 ( +1 | -1 )
The best chess player would have to be me By far I could beat Kasparov any day.
cep2eu 32 ( +1 | -1 )
Morphy and Fischer The funny thing is that Fischer believed that if Morphy had been brought to the second half of the 20th century by a time mashine, he would have beaten all the top chessplayers of that time. It's the very thing that some people say about Fischer now. It's a pity we don't have time mashines.