white_disc
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Fighting the King's Gambit I recently saw this being played:
1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. h4 g4
5. Ne5
Is this one of the (better) ways to eat the KG pawn and still keep the advantage ?
Thanks :)
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tulkos
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there are no good ways to 'eat' the pawn and keep the advantage every time. If there was brunetti woudn't be in the top ten.
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chuckventimiglia
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White_disc hello!! The opening that you show above is called
the Kieseritsky Gambit. This is considered by
many as the best answer to the King's Gambit.
In answer to your question ,yes this is one
of the better ways. Chuck
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myway316
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I don't approve... ...of any of the lines in the KGA where Black attempts to hang on to the pawn with g5-he's moving pawns when he should be developing pieces,he's creating holes around the uncastled King,and he's trying to hang on to a pawn that is basically indefensible. I consider Black's best to be 3...d5,getting on with his development,and letting White be the one who is forced to lose time regaining the pawn.
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chess_champion
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Kings Gambit Probably my favourite opening whether playing with it or against it. The move 3...d5 is the Falkbeer Counter Gambit. That is the move i find myself facing when i am playing with white a lot of times. It is the response which i find disturbing for some weird reason. Its as if all other responses are okay but this one isnt! So if someone could tell me a way to respond to that move with me being white. Currently i just take the pawn on d5 with 4. exd5 and then the opponent takes it with his/her queen 4...Qxd5 or they gambit further more to gain position with 4...c6. Any input on that would be appreciated...
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loreta
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Falkbeer countergambit I play only that against KG... But after 1. e4 e5 2 f4 d5 3. exd 4 I advance a pawn 3 ... e4
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atrifix
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3... d5 is not the Falkbeer, but rather the Modern Variation. 2... d5 is the Falkbeer.
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chess_champion
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doh yup your right.... thanks for the correction... dont know what i was thinking.
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white_disc
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A game of mine (not GK) Here's a game of mine where I took white, tried some crazy sacs, ended up resigning... lol... :P
But was a good experience in the attacking game though :)
1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 Be7
4. d4 g5
5. Bc4 d6
6. Bxf7+ Kxf7
7. Nxg5+ Bxg5
8. Qh5+ Kf8
9. h4 Bf6
10. Bxf4 Bxd4
11. Bh6+ Bg7
12. Rf1+ Nf6
13. Bxg7+ Kxg7
14. Qg5+ Kf7
15. e5 dxe5
16. Qh5+ Kg7
17. Qg5+ Kf7
18. Nc3 Nd7
19. Rd1 Qg8
20. Rxd7+ Bxd7
21. Qxf6+ Ke8
22. Qxe5+ Qe6
23. Qxe6+ Bxe6
24. Ne4 Ke7
25. Nc5 b6
26. Nxe6 Kxe6
27. Rf3 Rhf8
{White resigns} 0-1
caldazar
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The Kieseritzky Gambit is indeed a well respected counter to the King's Gambit, and probably as good as the other mainstream defenses such as Fischer's Defense, Cunningham's Defense, or the Modern Defense. It'd be stretching things to say that Black retains an advantage, I would think, although he does indeed have his fair share of the play.
As for your game,
1.e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Be7 4. d4 g5
Mixing Black systems in the King's Gambit. Usually the bishop belongs on g7 when ...g5 is played. 4... Bh4+ 5. Ke2 d5 is a bit more logical, with a complicated struggle.
5. Bc4 d6 6. Bxf7+
You need more pieces in attacking positions before this becomes viable. Simply completing development with 6. O-O and perhaps Nc3 first might be better when White could then look for a radical attack.
6... Kxf7 7. Nxg5+ Bxg5 8. Qh5+ Kf8 9. h4 Bf6 10. Bxf4 Bxd4 11. Bh6+ Bg7
11... Nxh6 12. Qxh6+ Bg7 (perhaps 12... Ke7 is better...) 13. O-O+ Kg8 14. Qf4, when White is down two pieces for very little reason.
12. Rf1+ Nf6 13. Bxg7+
13. Qg5 Bxh6 14. Rxf6+ looks to me like it saves White. Now:
A) 14... Ke8 15. Qh5+ Kd7 16. Rf7+ Kc6 17. Qd5+ Kb6 18. Qb3+ is a draw by perpetual check.
B) 14... Ke7 15. Rxh6:
B1) 15... Kd7 16. Qg7+ Kc6 17. Qc3+ and a draw (16... Qe7 17. Qxh8 Qxe4+ 18. Kd1 and in light of the threat of Rxh7+, I don't see anything better for Black than 18... Qg4+ 19. Ke1 Qe4+ with a draw)
B2) 15... Ke8 16. Qg7 Rf8 17. Rxh7 Qf6 (17... Be6 18. Nc3 looks poor for Black to me) 18. Qxf6 Rxf6 19. Rxc7 with a roughly level game.
13... Kxg7 14. Qg5+ Kf7 15. e5 dxe5 16. Qh5+ Kg7 17. Qg5+ Kf7 18. Nc3 Nd7 19. Rd1 Qg8 20. Rxd7+ Bxd7 21. Qxf6+ Ke8 22. Qxe5+ Qe6 23. Qxe6+ Bxe6
24. Ne4 Ke7 25. Nc5 b6 26. Nxe6 Kxe6 27. Rf3 Rhf8
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dlarry
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The king's gambit is a wonderful choice if it fits your playing style. If you are say more inclined to slowly build up your positional advantage then this is not your opening. It is full of tactics and is an excellent system for beginners to take up.
Concerning the falkbeer counter line with 3....c6 is the nimzovich variation and is most often refuted with 4. Nc3. This will stall or stop the thematic e4 push of black to dislodge white's knight at f3. While this is an energetic system for black to employ it does not offer him the best chances for victory. Statistically the declined line of 2...Bc5 offers black the best chance of equality.
Personally, I embrace the spirit of the gambit and whenever possible I will play the Allaier's piece sac against the orthodox defense. (1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ng5 looking to sac the knight at f7) This is daring but very true to the ideas within this opening.
verticalchess
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I agree that... the best declined variation to the King's Gambit is the Falkbeer counter. I have won many games by playing 2. d5 and declining White's pawn offer.
keiserpaul
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Falkbeer, bahh Why are you playing chess ? To win ? Ok, then the Falkbeer can be the best choice to improve your rating after a dull game. But if you want an exciting game and a real battle, then you have to accept the challenge and to take the pawn at the second move. Why do you people always want to play the best move ? Play the most interesting one and have fun !
buddie
25 ( +1 | -1 )
Falkbeer/Modern I use the Falkbeer as a step into the Modern, thus -
1. e4 e5
2. f4 d5
3. exd5 exf4.
Mainly to prevent unusual White 3rd moves after 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4. And also to give White the chance to play 3. fxe5?? :-)
Though currently I am experimenting with the Classical 2. ... Bc5.
maca
27 ( +1 | -1 )
I have read That Falkaaber is best way to answer kings
gambit, but 3. - exf4 is often held as an bad
move, but i can't remember what black's should
do, propably some simple developing move.
MaCa
tyekanyk
28 ( +1 | -1 )
He thought that the best answer to the kings gambit is to simply take the pawn. He beat Paul Keres, a fierce attacking player with this conception. The game was: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Nh5 5.Qe2 Be7 and so on...
Actually I don't feel like giving you the whole game,
search it for yourselves.
mattafort
17 ( +1 | -1 )
My way of meeting King's Gambit. I play
1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 exf4
(guess it is same as: 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nc6)
and I am really pleased with this defence.
Have also tried:
1.e4 e5 2.f4 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5!?
Thi is also a very good defence.
komei
31 ( +1 | -1 )
Pah! Falkbeer... ...is for unimaginative conservatives! I always take the pawn as black and play either 3 ...g5 or less often, 3 ...d5 and go for the bloody slaughter style games.
I used to play KG as white too, but only against players I know (or assume) are slightly weaker than myself. Everyone above 1800 knows KG too well!